More Police Raids In Glasgow

[English Kate]

Yep unfortunately the punter gets arrested and appears in court just as much as the wg. So gentlemen, beware when you enter a house and there are more than one woman working. You might assume you are safe but you never know who might be watching.

I've been told that if an apartment is used by more than one lady, even at seperate times it is still classed as a brothel and therefore illegal. They can even manipulate the fact if 2 ladies are both working in the same hotel in different rooms, that the hotel is being used as a brothel. The ladies don't even have to know each other.

[curvy crumpet]

That is why i always use apartments in Scotland.

[Hobbes]

This just shows how confused the new law is. It was rushed through and they did a half arsed job of it. It is so vague in places that it is open to interpretation and therefore misinterpretation. My take on it, which may well be wrong, is that it was brought in to ostensibly help those who are being trafficked or coerced into prostitution against their will. This is being done in a number of ways but to keep it relevant to this thread it is now illegal for 2 or more women to work from the same premises.

Now I read that as making it easier to prosecute those who run brothels that house trafficked women, not independents who choose to share an incall location. If the police are attempting to entrap women by arranging duos then basically they're now saying that a paid for threesome is now illegal, regardless of whether all parties are willing or not, and that is just bonkers.

In fact I don't think it would stand up in court, I'm sure any half decent lawyer would be able to successfully mitigate.

It sounds to me that certain police forces may just be going for soft targets to make their detection rates look better. Most people who are caught in such circumstances will most likely accept a caution and try and keep things quiet rather than go to trial and risk the accompanying publicity. I fear it may take a few individuals who are prepared to go to court and set precedent before the legal meaning of the new law becomes all encompassing. But who's brave enough to do that? I'm not sure I would be.

Until then we will have to put up with perceived abuse of authority. I fully support the spirit in which (I think) the new law was introduced and I am in no way anti police but sometimes they can be real twats!

[Nick Meanswell]

Jolly glad I'm not coming to Glasgow anymore! Knowing my luck, I'd get caught out.

[Lady_Lust_XXX]

Yep unfortunately the punter gets arrested and appears in court just as much as the wg. So gentlemen, beware when you enter a house and there are more than one woman working. You might assume you are safe but you never know who might be watching.

The client could be arrested when the police appear but in the past few years in Scotland the guys have been let loose. I still wouldnt like it to happen to me though if I was a guy.

I've been told that if an apartment is used by more than one lady, even at seperate times it is still classed as a brothel and therefore illegal. They can even manipulate the fact if 2 ladies are both working in the same hotel in different rooms, that the hotel is being used as a brothel. The ladies don't even have to know each other.

Yes that is the case. In Scotland of late (the past few years) when police have entered working flats to raid them they have also arrested the receptionist too. Even if she is fully clothed and doesnt appear to be a WG. The police do have the right to enter hotels for the same reason. And it is true that the girls dont have to know each other. Its just the fact that two girls are working from same hotel. A hotel in Dublin was raided last year and two girls were arrested - though they did abscond and were 'on the run'. ROFL. Never did heare the outcome of the story.

That is why i always use apartments in Scotland.

Dee I hate to tell you but working from apartments in Scotland is no safer, for with the abundance of escorts in Scotland there is not many serviced apartments that doesnt have a couple of WG's at least on the premises.

Hobbes - a threesome - ie two escorts and a client has always been illegal - just nobody bothered with it. Even a married/co-habiting couple working together from their home is illegal - i know the law is an ass. If a married/co-habiting couple are working and have another person there as part of their 'work' then yes that is illegal too. But it always has been. Thats why not so many girls do duos now. You are taking your life in your hands actually answering the phone and telling a guy that a duo is available. You just dont know who you are talking to - it could be a client - but it could also be the police and not just worth the chance. Thats one of the reasons the police have profiles on AW. They are everywhere, you just cant trust anyone nowadays and another reason why us WG's have to be so security conscience.

[Hobbes]

Sorry LL but which law are you referring to when you say that paid for threesomes have always been illegal? When I referred to the "new law" I meant The Policing and Crime Bill 2008 - 2009 which became law last year. I've never previously heard that it was illegal for girls or married couples to work together prior to that. I must admit I'm no lawyer and have never bothered to check it out but are you sure you're correct on that?

[Lady_Lust_XXX]

Sorry LL but which law are you referring to when you say that paid for threesomes have always been illegal? When I referred to the "new law" I meant The Policing and Crime Bill 2008 - 2009 which became law last year. I've never previously heard that it was illegal for girls or married couples to work together prior to that. I must admit I'm no lawyer and have never bothered to check it out but are you sure you're correct on that?

Sorry hobbes I couldnt quote laws etc, like yourself I'm no lawyer, but when I went into the ins and outs of things when i started just under 6 years ago it was against the law. Not just since last year. I aint taking the chance thats for sure.

[Hobbes]

Sorry LL but which law are you referring to when you say that paid for threesomes have always been illegal? When I referred to the "new law" I meant The Policing and Crime Bill 2008 - 2009 which became law last year. I've never previously heard that it was illegal for girls or married couples to work together prior to that. I must admit I'm no lawyer and have never bothered to check it out but are you sure you're correct on that?

Sorry hobbes I couldnt quote laws etc, like yourself I'm no lawyer, but when I went into the ins and outs of things when i started just under 6 years ago it was against the law. Not just since last year. I aint taking the chance thats for sure.

Fair enough, I can certainly empathise with your concerns and being cautious is only prudent.

As I said I never checked out the previous laws but I have read this new one and from what I can gather the only people who are truely happy with it are the lawyers. It gives them the chance to write their names into the law books by setting precedent by means of mitigation and they must be rubbing their hands in glee at the prospect. It's that vague and unclear in places.

My main concern is with certain police forces using that lack of clarity to their advantage in order to up their detection and conviction rates by going after soft targets. How many of these raids actually result in court appearances or trials? The lack of media coverage of such stories would indicate not many. Far more likely for anyone caught up in such a raid to cop a plea and accept a caution, whether it's warranted or not, they thus avoid unwanted publicity and the authorities get their conviction.

[lucy7]

The grapevine has it that two Leeds ladies got done a couple of weeks ago.
Not good....

[Lady_Lust_XXX]

I'm sure there are raids going on all over the country ALL of the time so I wouldnt be lack in my precautions just because I'm not in Scotland.

I would think the police DO use the law/lack of knowledge of law to their own benefit.

So guys, be careful wherever you are. No one is safe. I could only pass on this message for Scotland after talking to one of the girls who was arrested - and she was the receptionist and held till just after 2 am in the morning from during the day.

In the cases from last year ALL the cases were thrown out of court on the final day. I don't know about anyone else but I would not want to have this hanging over my head for the six months that it takes to get to this stage. Not good.