deeper relationship

[DivineMissG]

Or you simply like each other and want to be social friends as well as occasional sexual friends?

Im a client.
If all the variables were right, ie you like each other a lot, baring in mind its typically the mans place to ask the woman out no matter what the circumstance is, id ask her if she'd date me - this is where extreme tact play comes in.

Naturally she will think youre trying to get free sex (its tradition: women believe most/all men are liars and after only one thing, especially clients who see escorts). So prove to her: take her out on a date, pay her for her time, dont ask for a discount (because of no sex). Show her a nice time, let your personality shine- let her see who you are just be yourself. 3 (paid) dates is plenty, if she still requests money to go out with you then you know 200% certainty shes not into you. Shes been playing you... the good escort she is, but dont let it get you down. If she likes you she will then ask you out for free. Bingo. Just whatever you do during the date(s) do not have sex or touch her sexually, even if shes gagging for it, shes just testing you.

Pretty sure if the boundaries are clear in the first place there is no need for 'playing' or 'testing'. If she wants to date you, she'll date you. If not, it will purely be a business relationship. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that. No mindgames, no playing around. Just be open and honest about where the boundaries lie, ask her what she is okay with, and I'm sure you'll get a direct answer...

[davidseven]

Or you simply like each other and want to be social friends as well as occasional sexual friends?

Im a client.
If all the variables were right, ie you like each other a lot, baring in mind its typically the mans place to ask the woman out no matter what the circumstance is, id ask her if she'd date me - this is where extreme tact play comes in.

Naturally she will think youre trying to get free sex (its tradition: women believe most/all men are liars and after only one thing, especially clients who see escorts). So prove to her: take her out on a date, pay her for her time, dont ask for a discount (because of no sex). Show her a nice time, let your personality shine- let her see who you are just be yourself. 3 (paid) dates is plenty, if she still requests money to go out with you then you know 200% certainty shes not into you. Shes been playing you... the good escort she is, but dont let it get you down. If she likes you she will then ask you out for free. Bingo. Just whatever you do during the date(s) do not have sex or touch her sexually, even if shes gagging for it, shes just testing you.

Pretty sure if the boundaries are clear in the first place there is no need for 'playing' or 'testing'. If she wants to date you, she'll date you. If not, it will purely be a business relationship. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that. No mindgames, no playing around. Just be open and honest about where the boundaries lie, ask her what she is okay with, and I'm sure you'll get a direct answer...

And shouldn't that be true for any relationship. Start out using deception as a premise and the path has been set. 'She' is a human being, not someone defined by the job they do, fall for the person by all means, but falling because of her chosen profession is at best shallow and unhealthy and at worst an abuse of trust.

[Tom30]

Pretty sure if the boundaries are clear in the first place there is no need for 'playing' or 'testing'. If she wants to date you, she'll date you. If not, it will purely be a business relationship. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that. No mindgames, no playing around. Just be open and honest about where the boundaries lie, ask her what she is okay with, and I'm sure you'll get a direct answer...

Problem is the stigma escorts have of clients, hence the reasoning behind such boundaries are desired for the business transaction to be successful.
Escorts dont trust clients, fact. Clients are scum and manipulitive, they are dogs who dont deserve a normal relationship.
And vice-versa for some clients.

If an escort wants to make sure he is the real deal, knowing what she knows and the stories shes heard, the client has to work hard to reach her heart.

Some escorts are easy though, theyll ask the client out themselves if he is drop dead gorgeous and good/amazing in bed, like me ...i wish.

[DivineMissG]

Pretty sure if the boundaries are clear in the first place there is no need for 'playing' or 'testing'. If she wants to date you, she'll date you. If not, it will purely be a business relationship. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that. No mindgames, no playing around. Just be open and honest about where the boundaries lie, ask her what she is okay with, and I'm sure you'll get a direct answer...

Problem is the stigma escorts have of clients, hence the reasoning behind such boundaries are desired for the business transaction to be successful.
Escorts dont trust clients, fact. Clients are scum and manipulitive, they are dogs who dont deserve a normal relationship.
And vice-versa for some clients.

If an escort wants to make sure he is the real deal, knowing what she knows and the stories shes heard, the client has to work hard to reach her heart.

Some escorts are easy though, theyll ask the client out themselves if he is drop dead gorgeous and good/amazing in bed, like me ...i wish.

Well I'm not sure how you know so many of these 'facts' - But I am pretty sure it's down to the individuals involved how they work it. I personally don't think clients are any of the things you suggest. I don't think you can generalise for every escort and every client on the planet. Playing mind games - in fact treating this sort of situation like a 'game' is not going to get anyone anywhere. All sounds a bit juvenile to me and far from what should be the basis of an adult relationship - honesty!

[Tom30]

fall for the person by all means, but falling because of her chosen profession is at best shallow and unhealthy and at worst an abuse of trust.

Its not about falling for her due to her profession, its falling for how very open minded and adventurous she is compared to non-escort girls.

The only other alternative is single female swingers, who are rarer than gold dust as men seem to out number them 100 to 1. And im not saying im looking for an open relatiionship, just one who knows how to keep things spiced up both romantically and sexually.

[Lady_Lust_XXX]

You seem to have an axe to grind today Tom. You appear to be finding faults and picking holes in anything anyone says today. Perhaps youre not having a good day - who knows. But if I felt as strong as you re other people I dont think I would be spending so much time on forums with them.

You speak about facts and escorts and clients when indeed you don't have to. We are old enough to speak for ourselves. This will enable us to say what WE think and not what other people THINK we THINK.

[Tom30]

Well I'm not sure how you know so many of these 'facts' - But I am pretty sure it's down to the individuals involved how they work it. I personally don't think clients are any of the things you suggest. I don't think you can generalise for every escort and every client on the planet. Playing mind games - in fact treating this sort of situation like a 'game' is not going to get anyone anywhere. All sounds a bit juvenile to me and far from what should be the basis of an adult relationship - honesty!

Im mostly generalising from what ive read on what escorts talk about on the ssafe forum. Some of those posts are down-right saddening to hear.

[DivineMissG]

Yep - still doesn't mean you can make such an enormous generalisation from 'some' posts on saafe. Feel free to state your opinions - just don't state them as 'truths' - because they aren't.

[Tom30]

You seem to have an axe to grind today Tom. You appear to be finding faults and picking holes in anything anyone says today. Perhaps youre not having a good day - who knows. But if I felt as strong as you re other people I dont think I would be spending so much time on forums with them.

You speak about facts and escorts and clients when indeed you don't have to. We are old enough to speak for ourselves. This will enable us to say what WE think and not what other people THINK we THINK.

Omg, are you serious.
Sorry but, faults? what faults? Im DISCUSSING and mingling with what other people think, not nit-picking peoples oppinions.

Facts? sorry..., truly sorry. When i say something, such as fact, its a figure of speach. Seems you cant do that on forums?
Escuse me, but have i ever put words into your mouth(message) or anyone elses? If you read someone say "i think all clients are like this" doesnt mean "im speaking on behalf of all clients when i say this".
So yes, people are allowed to THINK, its what i THINK.

[DivineMissG]

But that's just it... A 'Fact' is not a figure of speech. It is a 'fact'. Maybe we would all benefit if you thought about the ways in which you discuss your opinions.