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(12-02-2016, 07:01)Nova70 Wrote:
(11-02-2016, 18:23)Likes-Big-Girls Wrote: The above is exactly the kind of thing which should be submitted to the enquiry, as evidence of what happens when that POS "Nordic Model" is implemented. Do the members of that enquiry really want to kick all SWs (sex workers, of any variety) out of their homes and onto the streets? And probably onto the dole as well?

Better to legalise it all, make sure the SWs are working in safe environments, paying their taxes and thereby benefitting everyone, and while they're at it get rid of some of the arcane laws covering what is and is not a Brothel (2 or more SWs under 1 roof), and no doubt other laws too, thus clarifying the whole situation for everyone involved.

Not everyone in the industry (and it IS an industry no matter how the nay-sayers try to dispute it) is trafficked or forced into it. Some are, that much is clear, and they should be helped to exit, but in that regard it's little different to the relatively recent cases of migrant crop-pickers being forced to live in unsanitary conditions and to work until they drop (or almost). Same problem (albeit in a different industry) so how come the current laws work for one set of people but not the other? The industry should not matter - SWs are people too and as such should be afforded the same rights as everyone else.

Excellent post LBG and I couldn't agree more but sadly I think we can say with some certainty that establishing a properly run and policed sex industry will not be on the committee's agenda.

Equally sadly I have to agree with you - it won't be. However, it might just push them far enough to understand that what is being proposed by Spelman et al actually damages the very people it purports to protect and should therefore be rejected. At best we might actually get something positive from the committee and at the very least the maintenance of the status quo.
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(12-02-2016, 07:27)Nova70 Wrote: "Operation Homeless" I can't believe they called it that, perhaps something got lost in translation, anyway I took a look and it really does seem to undermine the notion that the "Nordic model" doesn't victimise the SP, If like me you hadn't heard of this before well it's a tactic used by the Norwegian Police, they issue blunt warnings to those providing prostitutes with a place to work, landlords and even hotel owners are told that they will be regarded as Pimps and prosecuted unless they evict the wg.


It's real enough, and hardly subtle. Operasjon Husløs is the official name which translates on my version of google translate exactly as operation homeless. Put that into search and lots of links will appear. Here's one to get you started.

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/...51709.html

Obviously if you can read Norwegian it's easier to understand, but even plugging it into a translator is very revealing. People who think that sort of behaviour couldn't migrate to the UK are kidding themselves in my opinion.

I gather from various links that there was quite a lot of discussion in Norwegian legal circles about the title of the operation targeting prostitutes, but the police just carried on regardless.

I tried various ways including on forums to get people to take this threat seriously, but mostly what I got was ridicule. That's why I've had it with UKpunting (and UKescorting) especially because of the way they lied to discredit me.

As a thought provoking addendum, and to help convince a few of the sceptics who think we should all sit back and do nothing. I thought the link below might interest some as an example of stupid politics and how crazy legislation can be introduced by whipping up a bit of hysteria - just as is happening now with the Nordic model. I have to say as a disclaimer that I'm not into dope at all. Most of the people I know who indulge are lazy, listless, lack ambition and don't seem to be capable of getting out of bed until mid afternoon. But I have no objections to them using it if they really want to. Why prohibit something that other people like doing if it doesn't affect those who don't, at all?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-influe...10248.html
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(11-02-2016, 18:23)Likes-Big-Girls Wrote: Equally sadly I have to agree with you - it won't be. However, it might just push them far enough to understand that what is being proposed by Spelman et al actually damages the very people it purports to protect and should therefore be rejected. At best we might actually get something positive from the committee and at the very least the maintenance of the status quo.

Of course there will be many hurdles to overcome before recommendations from committees can be turned into Laws but this will be the most determined effort yet and who knows what private discussions have already taken place to gauge the strength of both Government and cross-party support, those pushing for the Law to be introduced will want to see it viewed purely as a human rights issue, Spelman is dismissive to say the least of those women who argue that they became prostitutes by choice and their arguement that the "Nordic model" may make things worse cuts little ice as Spelman doesn't want prostitution to be controlled but eradicated.
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(12-02-2016, 12:56)Warwick Wrote:
(12-02-2016, 07:27)Nova70 Wrote: "Operation Homeless" I can't believe they called it that, perhaps something got lost in translation, anyway I took a look and it really does seem to undermine the notion that the "Nordic model" doesn't victimise the SP, If like me you hadn't heard of this before well it's a tactic used by the Norwegian Police, they issue blunt warnings to those providing prostitutes with a place to work, landlords and even hotel owners are told that they will be regarded as Pimps and prosecuted unless they evict the wg.


It's real enough, and hardly subtle. Operasjon Husløs is the official name which translates on my version of google translate exactly as operation homeless. Put that into search and lots of links will appear. Here's one to get you started.

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/...51709.html

Obviously if you can read Norwegian it's easier to understand, but even plugging it into a translator is very revealing. People who think that sort of behaviour couldn't migrate to the UK are kidding themselves in my opinion.

I gather from various links that there was quite a lot of discussion in Norwegian legal circles about the title of the operation targeting prostitutes, but the police just carried on regardless.

I tried various ways including on forums to get people to take this threat seriously, but mostly what I got was ridicule. That's why I've had it with UKpunting (and UKescorting) especially because of the way they lied to discredit me.

As a thought provoking addendum, and to help convince a few of the sceptics who think we should all sit back and do nothing. I thought the link below might interest some as an example of stupid politics and how crazy legislation can be introduced by whipping up a bit of hysteria - just as is happening now with the Nordic model. I have to say as a disclaimer that I'm not into dope at all. Most of the people I know who indulge are lazy, listless, lack ambition and don't seem to be capable of getting out of bed until mid afternoon. But I have no objections to them using it if they really want to. Why prohibit something that other people like doing if it doesn't affect those who don't, at all?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-influe...10248.html

This is the most important question of course, if the Law is introduced how rigorously will it be enforced, making it a human rights and equality issue will certainly make it harder to vote against but if MPs and Ministers are simply paying lip-service by wanting to appear to be doing the right thing there may not be the will or inclination to use the Law to it's full extent.

In Norway the Police appear to be very pro-active in enforcing the Law even if their actions appear to breach one of the key elements of the Nordic model ......... that the SP is not the criminal. One can only assume that if the Law is adopted here that those who pushed so hard to get it will not be satisfied with a half hearted attitude towards it's enforcement.
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(13-02-2016, 08:54)Nova70 Wrote: In Norway the Police appear to be very pro-active in enforcing the Law even if their actions appear to breach one of the key elements of the Nordic model ......... that the SP is not the criminal. One can only assume that if the Law is adopted here that those who pushed so hard to get it will not be satisfied with a half hearted attitude towards it's enforcement.

It could get quite nasty. There are some unpleasant stories about what happened when the police in Edinburgh were directed to raid the saunas and massage places there a few years ago.

I've heard that the Norwegian police are quite laid back on this issue in comparison to their Swedish counterparts.

There is a senior police officer in Sweden who made a pronouncement not too long ago that prostitution is a most severe threat to society.
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