Tours Please

[Strawberryblonde]

What type of service?

[Nova70]

W4R
I was bein sarcastic....I feel as though you and I have got off on the wrong foot, I apologise if I have offended/upset you in any way, it really was not my intention.
I am hoping that this is a site where WG's and punters can get along (unlike UKP), I hope it is.
Once again apologies.....to all you ladies.
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Bonker I really don't think there's any need for us to "get along" we simply have to be more aware of the issues that are of most concern to the other group. The trouble with UK Punting is that it's editorial policy is anti-wg they encourage their members to outdo each other in terms of the ridiculous allegations they make and are even happy for first time posters to join in that's why they have such a huge problem with fake punters on the site they simply make it too easy, equally SAAFE (a forum for sex workers) make it too easy for their members to make unsubstantiated accusations against punters, there have certainly been instances on that site of wgs making allegations of violent behaviour against punters in retaliation for a negative review, and the overall feel of the site is a negative attitude towards punters.

I will never be comfortable with the UK Punting attitude to wgs and I don't understand it, sure I've had my fair share of bad experiences/rip offs but the good experiences far outnumber those and I really enjoy doing this so why would I hate wgs and if you do as seems to be the case with many on UK Punting why are you wasting your time and money doing this when it's just leaving you feeling bitter and twisted.

And as for those on SAAFE who have such a low opinion of punters and apparently find the time they spend with us almost unbearable then your clearly in the wrong job your simply not cut out for this so stop making excuses and placing the blame elsewhere and go and find a job/career you can cope with.

[Nova70]

Back on topic, living in London I certainly have plenty of choice but do occasionally have a look at other regions on AW and have noted some very popular touring escorts who never visit London, I'm assuming they have their reasons perhaps they live here, others only visit every now and then and I have missed out because I haven't taken a look at their profiles for a while so it would be nice to have some sort of alert function on the profiles in your HL to let you know the wg concerned is working in your area.

[sarahxxx]

And as for those on SAAFE who have such a low opinion of punters and apparently find the time they spend with us almost unbearable

I have not used Saafe for a while, but when I did my opinion was the reverse. On a punter forum the term for a punter that was WG friendly is "fluffy" I am not sure what it would be for a Wg who was punter friendly but I thiought some of the girls were

Sarah x x x

[Nova70]

"Fluffy" is not necessarily a wg friendly punter in my opinion it's more likely to be someone who simply doesn't tell the truth when writing reviews, this could be out of a wish not to harm the reputation of a wg but more often than not it's more about the punter himself cultivating his online image "I never have a bad punt" there are plenty of those about.

SAAFE does allow it's members to post unsubstantiated allegations against punters just like UK Punting do where wgs are concerned, in my opinion one off serious allegations should not be posted publicly but left on file and if at some later stage there is another independent complaint of the same nature then perhaps it can be posted.

As for outing a punter or wg then only a criminal conviction for theft or violence warrants that.

[sarahxxx]

SAAFE does allow it's members to post unsubstantiated allegations

That is the very nature of forums, even outside of the adult industry, people post unsubstantiated reviews of their experience at a restaurant / hotel etc..

How do you substantiate a user experience / point of view?

I recently booked a holiday to a place I have never been, I looked on trip advisor and see mixed reviews, I also see mixed reviews of the restaurant's in the area, both good and bad.

A personal experience is subjective and it also reflects the service "on the day", which can be completely different to the last time you used the same service.

Sarah x x x

[Nova70]

SAAFE does allow it's members to post unsubstantiated allegations

That is the very nature of forums, even outside of the adult industry, people post unsubstantiated reviews of their experience at a restaurant / hotel etc..

How do you substantiate a user experience / point of view?

I recently booked a holiday to a place I have never been, I looked on trip advisor and see mixed reviews, I also see mixed reviews of the restaurant's in the area, both good and bad.

A personal experience is subjective and it also reflects the service "on the day", which can be completely different to the last time you used the same service.

Sarah x x x

I'm not talking about your average negative review the kind of thing I might write..............."20 minutes into the booking and XXXXX seemed to have lost all interest paying far more attention to her phone than my cock etc etc" or a standard wg's response "Nova was 15 minutes late and had a stroppy attitude from the moment he walked in and OMG his chronic bad breath was a huge turn off etc etc"

No I'm talking about serious allegations designed to damage the reputation of a wg or punter that are often made by new members or even first time posters, this kind of thing is nearly always malicious and without independent corroboration should not be allowed.

[sarahxxx]

I'm talking about serious allegations designed to damage the reputation of a wg or punter that are often made by new members or even first time posters,

I am sure that is not correct, are you suggesting that somebody that has posted before should be allowed to make a false allegation?

I'm not talking about your average negative review the kind of thing I might write..............."20 minutes into the booking and XXXXX seemed to have lost all interest paying far more attention to her phone than my cock etc etc" or a standard wg's response "Nova was 15 minutes late and had a stroppy attitude from the moment he walked in and OMG his chronic bad breath was a huge turn off etc etc"

Are you suggesting these type of remarks are not serious allegations and do not reflect badly on an individual?

I am sure there are plenty of people out there that would disagree with you, what is the point of a review system if things that are said do not matter?

Would punters not see "20 minutes into the booking and XXXXX seemed to have lost all interest paying far more attention to her phone than my cock etc etc" as a warning against seeing that wg? Do you not think it may put off potential punters? To help you out, your answer can only be a yes!

A review of that nature is allowed to be published without proof of it happening. And as you have said many times, there are many fake reviews posted so that brings the whole review system into disrepute and makes a joke of everything.

I have said it before, you guys need to get yourselves together and sort yourselves out, so many punters actions reflect so badly on the rest of you, making yourselves look like a bunch of idiots

Sarah x x x

[Nova70]

In answer to your first question Sarah no I'm not suggesting that, I said earlier that if a serious accusation is made it should be held on file and if in the future a similar accusation is made and it comes from an unconnected source then you can think about making it public. There has to be suspicion about anyone who joins a forum just to make a serious accusation it's probably personal and almost certainly malicious.

No I don't think the example I gave of my own negative reviews is a serious accusation and unless the wg concerned has nothing but that kind of review it's not going to do much damage to her income, lets say I was considering visiting a particular wg and she has 4 reviews, 3 are positive but one is a negative review like the example I gave would that deter me from seeing her............almost certainly not but I may contact her prior to making the booking and refer to the bad review and express the hope that this will not occur when I meet her, the rest is up to her, incidentally the example I gave of a wg's response is the kind of thing you hear from them when trying to explain negative reviews.

It's also worth remembering that the vast majority of reviews on ALL punting sites are in fact POSITIVE, you will have to take my word for it Sarah but I do tell the truth when I write reviews, I don't write negative reviews in the hope of putting the wg concerned out of business or positive reviews to increase their income I write them so other punters can feel better advised about who to spend their money with.

Do reviews actually have any great impact on the wgs concerned, talking about this with wgs themselves the general opinion is that a few good reviews in a short space of time can see a spike in bookings and neutral/negative reviews may see a drop in bookings but neither scenario lasts for very long or has any long term effect. The fact is most punters don't use forums or read reviews, I could tell you about a certain wg who has had plenty of negative reviews but she's a featured AW advertiser and that guarantees her far more attention than all the reviews and comments on all the punting forums put together.