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Scam/Spam message doing the rounds on AW
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Message comes from group Adultwork Boudoir Webcammers 24049 and group manager Bubble_Butt_Latina 5616111

Message is as follows:

"Hi hun,

I hope you are well

As from Wednesday 21st July the payment rules if you have noticed

So I was just reaching out to see if you were interested in joining my group

if you want to join my group i can offer you more than you get from AW when you aren't in the group so you do not loose out on any money by joining let me know if you are interested in discussing more

Feel free to check out my page to see that I am legitimate - I was one of the webcammer of the year winners and I have got 872 feedback in just over one year

I help all of my members maximise their earnings with most making over 500-1000 credits per day xxx

Love from Bubble_Butt_Latina xxx

P.S.

Have a look at my private gallery and movies in the meantime whilst awaiting my reply (or leave me feedback for a free video- we would have has to have had a session over 4 minutes for this)

Add me to your hotlist for updates on when I am online and have uploaded new content"



The following parts are simply not right:

- "if you want to join my group i can offer you more than you get from AW when you aren't in the group so you do not loose out on any money by joining"

The rules did change regarding VAT on the 21st, what does this mean for AW members, for UK members, nothing changes, for outside the UK local VAT may apply, cost of this VAT? Around 6% (varies but not above 6%), cost of joining this group which claims to pay more? 10%. In all circumstance you will be charged more than directly via AW.

Always do your homework before joining a group on AW (any group). At a glance some other oddities on the group homepage are:

- "VAT REGISTERED COMPANY" - what does this matter? UK members dont pay VAT and as the group is registered in the UK neither would any other world members, its null and void.

- "This group is on the featured groups page at the top every day without fail!" - yet when we check today they arernt showing (nearly all days they do not show).

- "ALL MEMBERS ARE BRITISH AND VERIFIED" - both not true, scroll their the members and click on a few profiles to find them.

- "- Join For Free!" - always a classic, join for free but if you earn we take 10%. Its like a shop saying come in the store for free but if you want anything you have to pay.

- "- We aim to be the first on the FEATURED groups page every day (if not first top slot, we get second every time meaning when clients click on this page the group is one of the first to be seen!)" - doesnt make sense, when you feature and someone loads the page its a random selection, also they dont show on the groups page most days.

-"- This is not an agency it is a friends and cooperative group meaning we do not take large percentages of your credits, you will not find a cheaper group!" - literally dozens of cheaper groups.

-"- You can get your credits FASTER than any other group offering on demand! I offer instant on demand meaning you can get paid in the same hour as asking for the cheapest fee around!" - faster payout groups exist, one hour is good but dont claim to be the fastest.

-"We offer daily payout services for FREE" - another one completely untrue, scammy and down right insulting to the industry.

-"- Free Daily Payout
- Free Weekly Payout
- Free Payout on Request (On Demand on the day you request before cut off points 3pm and midnight)
- On Demand Payout at any hour even 3am if you need it for a small fee" - service is not free at all, its 10%, if you want an On Demand payment its 10%+ an additional fee.


-"- Instant Access to your Credits and No Minimum Amount Required To Transfer" - group terms state there is a minimum.

-"- TWO Daily Payments by 3pm and midnight- Paid On Time EVERY DAY WITHOUT FAIL (all other groups do one per day)" - sounds like they are doing group transfers for dailypay, this of course isnt dailypay then as you have to wait 24hours for the credits to mature before this option can be used.

-"- Free Advertising on Groups Page FEATURED DAILY and GROUP OF THE DAY Regularly" - untrue, not on the group homepage and they are also not group of the day, history page shows they havent been group of the days for the past 30 days at least, https://www.adultwork.com/MemberOfTheDay...e.asp?S=GR

-"- One Week Featured On Our Group Page For Each New Member" - contradicts the above, how can a new member be featured for a week on a page that only has 4 slots and when they also state the top 4 earners get the 4 slots, it doesnt make any sense.

-"- No unfair or unjust treatment to our members" - this really means, we'll treat you right but secretly take 10% of your earnings and not feature you at all.

Their FAQ states:

Q: What are the payout rules on this group? No Minimum amount needed for payout - Daily: TWO PER DAY (More than any other group) 3pm and Midnight - Weekly: MIDNIGHT Thursday

-" - we already know its not dailypay and why only 1 day per week for weeklypay? Why not the 7 days of the week like other groups.

-"Q: Why do I have to give you my password to join? A: This is the way all group managers have to add members to groups" - not true, if the group manager knew the AW systems in and out like they claim they would know this isnt true, there are 2 other methods to add a member.

-"Why did you want to make the group? What is the catch?

One of my members recently said to me this group sounds like it is too good to be true, what's the catch? There is absolutely no ulterior motive! As a well established webcammer myself I felt the need to create an ethically run group in order to have a support network for girls like myself and to help other webcammers/ escorts with maximising their earnings and making connections within the industry." - the catch is you have to pay for the service, you do not make more via them, in fact you make 10% less, one of the more expensive groups on AW.

-"Q: Do you offer a referral scheme or cash incentives to join? A: No and the reason being is I started this group with a few of my friends from the industry and it is mainly growing from referrals. The reason certain groups offer cash incentives to join is because they take large commissions of your credits, which I would never dream of doing as a webcammer myself I know how much hard work goes into it. The only difference is you have access to the money in your bank account faster!" - does 10% not qualify as taking a large cut? The only difference is faster access to funds? What about the difference in %?



Some group pages make have a slight error by accident or maybe old information but the above qualifies as a scam on Adultwork, if unsure about a group on AW, ask a friend, forums, twitter etc

Lastly, for a group manager who claims to know everything on AW, they dont know the rules, poaching members or mass spamming members on AW is a punishable offence, if the group is breaking the rules all accounts linked to the group are in jeopardy.
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#2
I am the group manager of Boudoir Webcammers
When sending out that message I did not not send to anyone I knowingly knew was in a group therefore I doe not count as poaching (some people have hidden the group they are in from showing on their page)

Regarding the following I have made the relevant changes so everything in correct and fully updated information as there have been some changes since writing the group page.


- "if you want to join my group i can offer you more than you get from AW when you aren't in the group so you do not loose out on any money by joining"

At the time of sending this I was offering 66% to new group members (meaning I was correct in saying so as it was 64% they got if they were on in a group so being my the group meant they got 2% more)

Members are always welcome to research before joining the group.

- "VAT REGISTERED COMPANY" - I have updated the reason as to why I stated this at the time it was a rule that all groups had to be VAT registered and I was following the rules

- "This group is on the featured groups page at the top every day without fail!" - at the time of writning this on the group page it was the case then I did not do it any mroe at the time this post was published however I am back to doing it everyday now!

- "ALL MEMBERS ARE BRITISH AND VERIFIED" - both fully true all members are british. Verifications are still going ahead for some very new members but if they do not complete it they will be removed

- "- Join For Free!" - I have removed the word free. At the time of making this group and writing this group page it was free as you got 64% if you were not in a group and when they joined my group and got payouts they still got 64% (not costing them a penny). Since changes have been made on Adultwork and this is not the case anymore I have removed this

- "- We aim to be the first on the FEATURED groups page every day (if not first top slot, we get second every time meaning when clients click on this page the group is one of the first to be seen!)" - When I used to feature on the group page it was the sooner you bought it the higher up on the featured page you are, this must have changed now so I have removed it now

-"- This is not an agency it is a friends and cooperative group meaning we do not take large percentages of your credits, you will not find a cheaper group!" - At the time of writing this I was the cheapest group but I have now changed this

-"- You can get your credits FASTER than any other group offering on demand! I offer instant on demand meaning you can get paid in the same hour as asking for the cheapest fee around!" - I have changed this to within minutes now

-"We offer daily payout services for FREE" - I have removed the word free. At the time of making this group and writing this group page it was free as you got 64% if you were not in a group and when they joined my group and got payouts they still got 64% (not costing them a penny). Since changes have been made on Adultwork and this is not the case anymore I have removed this

-"- Free Daily Payout
- Free Weekly Payout
- Free Payout on Request (On Demand on the day you request before cut off points 3pm and midnight)
- On Demand Payout at any hour even 3am if you need it for a small fee" - I have removed the word free. At the time of making this group and writing this group page it was free as you got 64% if you were not in a group and when they joined my group and got payouts they still got 64% (not costing them a penny). Since changes have been made on Adultwork and this is not the case anymore I have removed this.


-"- Instant Access to your Credits and No Minimum Amount Required To Transfer" - the group terms stated that the minimum was 1 credit. I have removed this no, no one is likely to ask for pennies anyway but they can and always could have if they wanted to

-"- TWO Daily Payments by 3pm and midnight- Paid On Time EVERY DAY WITHOUT FAIL (all other groups do one per day)" - You do not have to wait 24 hours for the credits to mature I will send the payout to the members bank as long as the credits are in their adultwork account

-"- Free Advertising on Groups Page FEATURED DAILY and GROUP OF THE DAY Regularly" - At the time of writing the group page this was true and now I have started again, however it is not for the benefit of the group member it is so that members can see the group and join the group

-"- One Week Featured On Our Group Page For Each New Member" - At the time of writing this I tried it, it didn't work as I had more than four members joining a week therefore I have now removed this and it is just the highest four earners at the top of the group page

-"- No unfair or unjust treatment to our members" - No secrets at all, all group members know how much they are giving to the group and never have a problem with it! I have now lowered it to 5% rather than 10%
Their FAQ states:

Q: What are the payout rules on this group? No Minimum amount needed for payout - Daily: TWO PER DAY (More than any other group) 3pm and Midnight - Weekly: MIDNIGHT Thursday

I now offer credits paid to your bank before they have matured (24 hours). Weekly pay is any day of the week they want now- this has also been updated on the group page

-"Q: Why do I have to give you my password to join? A: This is the way all group managers have to add members to groups" - This has been removed

-"Why did you want to make the group? What is the catch?

One of my members recently said to me this group sounds like it is too good to be true, what's the catch? There is absolutely no ulterior motive! As a well established webcammer myself I felt the need to create an ethically run group in order to have a support network for girls like myself and to help other webcammers/ escorts with maximising their earnings and making connections within the industry." - there is no catch I always inform members of the percentage they will pay and they are always happy to do so.


-"Q: Do you offer a referral scheme or cash incentives to join? A: No and the reason being is I started this group with a few of my friends from the industry and it is mainly growing from referrals. The reason certain groups offer cash incentives to join is because they take large commissions of your credits, which I would never dream of doing as a webcammer myself I know how much hard work goes into it. The only difference is you have access to the money in your bank account faster!" - 10% is not a large cut when there are groups double or more , giving girls only 50% of their earnings, taking 20% for themselves with no extra help or benefits at all. Not even faster pay-out. Some groups you have to wait until the money from adultwork hits the group managers accounts before they get paid. I have now lowered my %
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#3
Are you charging 100% on loans to your members? Effectively keeping them in debt forever. Do you have a license to issue loans?
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#4
Hi, havent had a chance to read the above in depth yet sorry but glanced over it. Really nice to see the changes being made, refreshing to see a group take the time to comb over some observations and make any changes that may of been needed.


For the first bit, poaching is against aw tos but this isnt what will lead to the ban, its spamming members, of any kind. - just if this wasnt known yet.
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#5
Thank you so much.

No I do not offer loans to members at 100%, I do not offer loans at all.
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